1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:02,720 - [Jacob] And yeah, thank you for having me 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,050 and giving me the opportunity to talk today. 3 00:00:05,050 --> 00:00:07,280 My name is Jacob Luhn and I'm a graduate student 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,620 at Penn State University 5 00:00:09,620 --> 00:00:12,200 where I've just finished up my fifth year 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,090 and today I'm gonna be talking 7 00:00:13,090 --> 00:00:14,104 about some recently published results 8 00:00:14,104 --> 00:00:16,910 as well as some upcoming results 9 00:00:16,910 --> 00:00:19,560 relating to stellar RV jitter, 10 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:20,850 with the goal of building up 11 00:00:20,850 --> 00:00:22,770 an astrophysical motivated predictor 12 00:00:22,770 --> 00:00:24,433 of stellar RV jitter. 13 00:00:27,210 --> 00:00:28,100 Hey, there we go. 14 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:30,300 So despite the fact that most of our planets 15 00:00:30,300 --> 00:00:32,600 are now discovered through transit surveys, 16 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:37,480 radial velocity observations are still as important as ever. 17 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:41,060 They are used to confirm or reject planet candidates 18 00:00:41,060 --> 00:00:43,007 as well as measure masses, 19 00:00:43,007 --> 00:00:44,140 and so that we can eventually 20 00:00:44,140 --> 00:00:46,560 get planet densities. 21 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,870 But with this added role of transit follow up, 22 00:00:48,870 --> 00:00:52,093 comes additional strain on our RV resources, 23 00:00:52,970 --> 00:00:56,510 and especially considering the number of observations needed 24 00:00:56,510 --> 00:00:59,470 for precise mass measurements of earth like planets 25 00:00:59,470 --> 00:01:04,150 around some like stars, this is a real problem. 26 00:01:04,150 --> 00:01:07,960 And it becomes important to select and prioritize 27 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:12,450 our targets so that we can maximize our science returns. 28 00:01:12,450 --> 00:01:15,050 And to do this, we can use the fact that some stars 29 00:01:15,050 --> 00:01:18,200 are simply better suited for radial velocity measurements 30 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,283 than others because of stellar radial velocity jitter. 31 00:01:22,390 --> 00:01:25,600 So RV variability astrophysically, 32 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,090 comes from various sources. 33 00:01:27,090 --> 00:01:30,520 I've listed a few of the major ones here and divided them 34 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,130 by those that are driven by magnetic activity, 35 00:01:33,130 --> 00:01:36,310 and those that are driven by convection. 36 00:01:36,310 --> 00:01:39,369 And so we know that RV jitter increases with both activity 37 00:01:39,369 --> 00:01:41,700 as well as with convection. 38 00:01:41,700 --> 00:01:43,340 But we wanted to better understand the role 39 00:01:43,340 --> 00:01:46,920 that both of these plays in an RV jitter. 40 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,010 And so I individually measured the masses 41 00:01:50,010 --> 00:01:52,170 of 600 California planets of stars 42 00:01:52,170 --> 00:01:54,630 to investigate trends with stellar properties 43 00:01:54,630 --> 00:01:56,240 and I'm showing the results here. 44 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,520 RV jitter as a function of surface gravity, 45 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,510 color coded by activity S-index. 46 00:02:03,510 --> 00:02:06,580 And to guide you, I've broken it up roughly 47 00:02:06,580 --> 00:02:09,663 into main sequence, sub giants and giant regimes. 48 00:02:10,978 --> 00:02:13,630 The first feature that we notice here, 49 00:02:13,630 --> 00:02:15,650 is this overall L shape. 50 00:02:15,650 --> 00:02:18,560 With the active stars piling up, 51 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,220 at high surface gravity's near the zero age main sequence, 52 00:02:22,220 --> 00:02:25,080 and then a horizontal floor of inactive stars 53 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,350 that show a gradual increase with evolution. 54 00:02:28,350 --> 00:02:31,100 And so what we've identified here are empirically 55 00:02:31,100 --> 00:02:35,495 the activity dominated and the convection dominated stars. 56 00:02:35,495 --> 00:02:37,150 You might also notice a number 57 00:02:37,150 --> 00:02:41,430 of high points here, and these are simply most of these 58 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:44,560 are due to non subtractive planets 59 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,993 that we weren't fully able to constrain. 60 00:02:48,950 --> 00:02:51,400 And so, what we're getting from this picture, 61 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,690 then is the idea that RV jitter tracks stellar evolution. 62 00:02:55,690 --> 00:02:57,730 And so what that means is that the star is born, 63 00:02:57,730 --> 00:02:59,900 and it's rotating rapidly and so it's very active 64 00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:01,510 and therefore jittery, 65 00:03:01,510 --> 00:03:04,160 it loses angular momentum on the main sequence 66 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,747 from stellar winds and decreases in both activity 67 00:03:07,747 --> 00:03:09,410 and jitter, continues to do so until 68 00:03:09,410 --> 00:03:12,470 it falls to some jitter minimum where it transitions 69 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:15,280 from activity dominated to convection dominated 70 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,960 and undergoes a gradual increase from convection 71 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,433 as it evolves into the subgiant, and later giant regimes. 72 00:03:23,470 --> 00:03:25,339 But this isn't the whole story. 73 00:03:25,339 --> 00:03:27,800 We know that stellar evolution depends heavily 74 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:28,940 on stellar mass. 75 00:03:28,940 --> 00:03:31,380 And so we expect the same to be true for the evolution 76 00:03:31,380 --> 00:03:33,216 of stellar RV jitter. 77 00:03:33,216 --> 00:03:34,350 And we find that when we break 78 00:03:34,350 --> 00:03:37,816 our sample up by mass, that that is indeed the case. 79 00:03:37,816 --> 00:03:39,920 And then we find that more massive stars 80 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,460 reached their jitter minimum at later evolutionary stages. 81 00:03:43,460 --> 00:03:46,200 This is because more massive stars evolve more quickly 82 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,460 and so they are moving to the right 83 00:03:47,460 --> 00:03:49,570 on this plot more rapidly. 84 00:03:49,570 --> 00:03:53,460 In addition, most of the massive stars in the sample, 85 00:03:53,460 --> 00:03:56,090 are above this Kraft break, 86 00:03:56,090 --> 00:03:58,220 and so they undergo a delayed 87 00:03:58,220 --> 00:04:00,390 spin down and it's not until the subgiant regime 88 00:04:00,390 --> 00:04:03,573 that they are able to begin spinning down. 89 00:04:04,820 --> 00:04:07,630 While we're on the subject of more massive stars, 90 00:04:07,630 --> 00:04:11,610 one of the other interesting results of this from the sample 91 00:04:11,610 --> 00:04:15,686 of RV jitter came from the presence 92 00:04:15,686 --> 00:04:17,950 of low jitter "F" stars. 93 00:04:17,950 --> 00:04:21,260 Now, "F" stars are typically avoided in RV surveys 94 00:04:21,260 --> 00:04:25,780 because of their expected high RV jitter. 95 00:04:25,780 --> 00:04:29,840 And so we wanted to determine a way to distinguish the high 96 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:31,540 from the low jitter "F" stars, 97 00:04:31,540 --> 00:04:34,270 and the insight there was that the high jitter stars 98 00:04:34,270 --> 00:04:36,350 will either be active or evolved. 99 00:04:36,350 --> 00:04:38,940 And so we created this jitter metric 100 00:04:38,940 --> 00:04:42,995 where it includes an activity time log(R'HK), 101 00:04:42,995 --> 00:04:47,995 and then also the absolute magnitude in the Gaia G-band 102 00:04:48,010 --> 00:04:51,040 as a proxy for evolution. 103 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,220 And when we plot our RV jitter as a function 104 00:04:54,220 --> 00:04:57,730 of this jitter metric, we see that it does a good job 105 00:04:57,730 --> 00:05:01,960 of distinguishing or separating the high jitter stars 106 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,550 from the low jitter stars and if we were to only 107 00:05:04,550 --> 00:05:07,040 use an activity term, you can see 108 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,470 that it's not quite as clean. 109 00:05:09,470 --> 00:05:12,230 And so again, this is used to separate high 110 00:05:12,230 --> 00:05:15,380 and low jitter "F" stars, but what we find is that 111 00:05:15,380 --> 00:05:17,970 this actually works quite well for all of the stars 112 00:05:17,970 --> 00:05:18,950 in our sample and not just to separate 113 00:05:18,950 --> 00:05:21,310 high and low jitter stars, 114 00:05:21,310 --> 00:05:25,040 but actually has some good predictive value as well. 115 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,370 And so here I'm showing the same plot RV jitter 116 00:05:27,370 --> 00:05:31,360 as a function of this jitter metric for all of the stars 117 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,390 in our sample, and just doing a simple linear fit here 118 00:05:35,390 --> 00:05:38,990 for stars with this jitter metric below 1.5. 119 00:05:38,990 --> 00:05:42,140 And with that, we're able to predict the jitter for those 120 00:05:42,140 --> 00:05:46,670 stars with a median percent error of about 27%, 121 00:05:46,670 --> 00:05:49,080 which is significantly better than 122 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,170 similar empirical predictors of RV jitter for instance, 123 00:05:53,170 --> 00:05:55,240 Wright 2005 which is good 124 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,050 to about a factor of two. 125 00:05:58,050 --> 00:06:00,797 So this is a great first simple jitter predictor. 126 00:06:00,797 --> 00:06:03,360 But we want to go a step further and build something 127 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,410 a little more astrophysically motivated, 128 00:06:05,410 --> 00:06:09,150 that can incorporate the different individual components 129 00:06:09,150 --> 00:06:11,010 of RV jitter. 130 00:06:11,010 --> 00:06:13,590 And so to do that, oh, 131 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:15,640 and here's what this would look like 132 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,810 if we only used an activity term again. 133 00:06:18,810 --> 00:06:22,430 But this more astrophysically motivated jitter predictor, 134 00:06:22,430 --> 00:06:26,560 we're developing this model, where jitter is the sum 135 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,960 of a budgeter of four components, an activity component 136 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,960 that depends on log (R'HK) and the mass, granulation, 137 00:06:36,380 --> 00:06:39,520 and an oscillation component that both depend 138 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,710 on the effective temperature of the surface gravity 139 00:06:41,710 --> 00:06:44,670 and the radius, but with different exponents, 140 00:06:44,670 --> 00:06:47,540 and then an overall instrumental component. 141 00:06:47,540 --> 00:06:50,190 That's the same for the whole sample from Keck HIRES. 142 00:06:51,270 --> 00:06:53,150 So to ensure that we're actually 143 00:06:53,150 --> 00:06:55,000 fitting astrophysical components, 144 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,190 we can use the fact that granulation and oscillations 145 00:06:58,190 --> 00:07:00,940 we have theoretical expectations for those scaling 146 00:07:00,940 --> 00:07:04,234 relations, so rather than using uniform priors for those 147 00:07:04,234 --> 00:07:08,700 hyper parameters for the granulation and oscillations, 148 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:12,860 we can use Gaussian priors 149 00:07:12,860 --> 00:07:14,420 centered on those values 150 00:07:14,420 --> 00:07:16,550 from the relations shown there. 151 00:07:16,550 --> 00:07:19,300 And just to demonstrate that those showed good 152 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:22,970 agreement with our, with our data, 153 00:07:22,970 --> 00:07:27,250 I'm showing here one individual star with cleanly resolved 154 00:07:27,250 --> 00:07:28,900 stellar p mode oscillations. 155 00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:32,120 This is not your typical planet RV curve, 156 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,450 but this is p mode oscillations. 157 00:07:34,450 --> 00:07:37,423 And the expected amplitude for the, 158 00:07:40,890 --> 00:07:44,470 radial velocities matches almost exactly what we see. 159 00:07:44,470 --> 00:07:47,810 So, just a demonstration of this, 160 00:07:47,810 --> 00:07:49,053 these scaling relations. 161 00:07:50,050 --> 00:07:53,270 The other benefit from this model comes from our ability 162 00:07:53,270 --> 00:07:57,500 to easily incorporate the stellar uncertainties into the fit 163 00:07:57,500 --> 00:08:02,500 so we allow our model to fit the true stellar parameters, 164 00:08:02,830 --> 00:08:06,560 given the uncertainties, input in the fit gives us 165 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,820 a probabilistic relation 166 00:08:10,032 --> 00:08:12,570 rather than a deterministic one. 167 00:08:12,570 --> 00:08:16,480 Final piece to this jitter predictor comes from our decision 168 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,400 to fit the jitter floor. 169 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,940 So, as I mentioned, any unsubtracted planets, 170 00:08:22,940 --> 00:08:24,747 introduces scatter above the floor 171 00:08:24,747 --> 00:08:29,530 and so we use, reintroduce a scatter term "S" 172 00:08:29,530 --> 00:08:33,720 that's drawn from a gamma distribution to account for this. 173 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,727 Such that the true stellar jitter is just 174 00:08:37,727 --> 00:08:40,390 "S" plus one times the calculated jitter floor 175 00:08:40,390 --> 00:08:43,528 and the exact shape and size of this gamma distribution, 176 00:08:43,528 --> 00:08:48,528 which are set by alpha and beta are left as free parameters 177 00:08:48,590 --> 00:08:50,050 in our fitting as well. 178 00:08:50,050 --> 00:08:53,370 And what this looks like, then I'm showing the posterior 179 00:08:53,370 --> 00:08:57,300 for that distribution, with each individual sample from 180 00:08:57,300 --> 00:09:02,180 our posterior in gray, and then the median in orange. 181 00:09:02,180 --> 00:09:04,313 And I find it a little easier to think. 182 00:09:05,581 --> 00:09:07,690 of this as showing the distribution of the, 183 00:09:07,690 --> 00:09:10,690 again quote unquote, true jitter in the units 184 00:09:10,690 --> 00:09:13,300 of the jitter floor. 185 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:16,430 So now that we have the whole model built up. 186 00:09:16,430 --> 00:09:18,140 Let's take a look at some of the results. 187 00:09:18,140 --> 00:09:22,984 So, on the left, I'm showing the data this RV jitter. 188 00:09:22,984 --> 00:09:24,160 (background noises) 189 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,995 as a function of.... 190 00:09:25,995 --> 00:09:28,104 (noises continue) 191 00:09:28,104 --> 00:09:30,098 as a function of.... 192 00:09:30,098 --> 00:09:32,348 (mumbling) 193 00:09:34,133 --> 00:09:37,544 - [Moderator] Can you pause Jacob and(mumbles) 194 00:09:37,544 --> 00:09:39,060 - [Jacob] Yeah, okay, all right, 195 00:09:39,060 --> 00:09:44,030 RV jitter as a function here of log (R'HK), activity, 196 00:09:44,030 --> 00:09:45,623 and then color coded by mass. 197 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:50,640 And then on the right showing our ability to fit that data 198 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,870 with this model, and you can see that it does rather well. 199 00:09:53,870 --> 00:09:56,700 But just the caveat that this is our ability to fit 200 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:59,680 the data with the model and as I mentioned, it's allowed 201 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:02,590 to fits the true cellar parameters and it also has 202 00:10:02,590 --> 00:10:05,550 flexibility in this upward scatter term. 203 00:10:05,550 --> 00:10:08,210 And so what we want is we want to be able to predict 204 00:10:08,210 --> 00:10:09,710 the jitter, our priori. 205 00:10:09,710 --> 00:10:13,810 And so to do that, we have to take our best fit model 206 00:10:13,810 --> 00:10:17,843 and sample from the posterior of the hyper parameters 207 00:10:17,843 --> 00:10:22,060 from the left, as well as the input stellar parameters 208 00:10:22,060 --> 00:10:23,600 to predict RV jitter. 209 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,280 And this gives us a probabilistic 210 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,930 RV jitter that has uncertainty coming from the hyper 211 00:10:29,930 --> 00:10:32,887 parameter uncertainties, the stellar parameter uncertainties 212 00:10:32,887 --> 00:10:35,670 in that upward scatter term. 213 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:38,740 So once we do all that, then here's our ability 214 00:10:38,740 --> 00:10:42,430 to predict RV jitter. 215 00:10:42,430 --> 00:10:44,830 And so I'm just showing one posterior sample 216 00:10:44,830 --> 00:10:45,863 now on the right. 217 00:10:47,500 --> 00:10:52,305 From the posterior of our predicted jitter. 218 00:10:52,305 --> 00:10:54,870 So you can see that we still do rather well 219 00:10:54,870 --> 00:10:57,370 and to see exactly how well we can do, 220 00:10:57,370 --> 00:11:00,000 I'm showing us a summary plot here of the absolute 221 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,140 fractional error as a function of stellar mass. 222 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:07,780 And for stars below 1.2 223 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,100 solar masses, which is about 70% of our sample, 224 00:11:12,100 --> 00:11:14,960 we can predict with a median percent error 225 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,640 of about 20 to 25%. 226 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,010 If you're comparing that to the number 227 00:11:20,010 --> 00:11:24,000 I quoted earlier, for the simple jitter predictor of 27%, 228 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,760 it might not sound like much of an improvement. 229 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:26,975 But there are a few things to remember one, 230 00:11:26,975 --> 00:11:30,875 that simple jitter predictor did a good job, 231 00:11:30,875 --> 00:11:32,850 but it was only for the low 232 00:11:32,850 --> 00:11:36,290 jitter metric stars whereas this model uses all of the stars 233 00:11:36,290 --> 00:11:40,740 in our sample and so can be fit for a wider range of stars. 234 00:11:40,740 --> 00:11:43,640 Additionally, the major motivation here 235 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,590 was to get an astrophysical based model 236 00:11:47,590 --> 00:11:50,880 and so this, if you'll remember, 237 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,007 models the individual components of RV jitter. 238 00:11:53,007 --> 00:11:57,710 And so one of the natural data products of this model, 239 00:11:57,710 --> 00:12:01,420 is the individual expected jitter 240 00:12:01,420 --> 00:12:05,230 for activity granulation and oscillations. 241 00:12:05,230 --> 00:12:09,250 And so I'm working on putting all of this together 242 00:12:09,250 --> 00:12:13,040 into a publicly available Python package to be used 243 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,640 by the exoplanet community 244 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,060 that I'm tentatively calling JITTTER, 245 00:12:19,060 --> 00:12:23,430 because JITTTER is the tool to estimate RV jitter. 246 00:12:23,430 --> 00:12:27,530 And this is as I said, this will be a publicly available 247 00:12:27,530 --> 00:12:31,920 Python package will allow users to predict RV jitter 248 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,500 not just for the overall astrophysical floor, 249 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:37,080 but also for individual components. 250 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,770 - [Moderator] A couple minutes left, Jacob. 251 00:12:38,770 --> 00:12:40,250 - [Jacob] Okay, great, thank you. 252 00:12:40,250 --> 00:12:41,300 I'm just wrapping up. 253 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:47,800 And also allow users to input their own distribution 254 00:12:47,938 --> 00:12:51,193 of stellar parameters so it can properly sample those. 255 00:12:52,170 --> 00:12:54,560 And additionally, I didn't talk too much about this, 256 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:58,160 but because we modeled the instrumental uncertainty 257 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,890 for Keck HIRES, this allows users to take that out 258 00:13:01,890 --> 00:13:04,060 or swap it for other instruments, 259 00:13:04,060 --> 00:13:08,980 if they want to predict jitter for a specific instrument. 260 00:13:08,980 --> 00:13:13,030 So yeah, and I'm alluding to this is still 261 00:13:13,030 --> 00:13:16,260 under development, I'm working on putting together 262 00:13:16,260 --> 00:13:17,790 the user interface. 263 00:13:17,790 --> 00:13:20,710 And so I'd love to hear feedback from the community 264 00:13:20,710 --> 00:13:24,360 on special use cases or features that we maybe 265 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:25,760 haven't thought of yet. 266 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,720 So feel free to reach out to me, I'd be happy to chat more. 267 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,810 And so just to wrap up, then, 268 00:13:31,810 --> 00:13:33,850 I want to quickly go through my conclusions 269 00:13:33,850 --> 00:13:37,800 and say that RV jitter evolves from activity dominated 270 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,350 to convection dominated, 271 00:13:39,350 --> 00:13:41,480 with more massive stars reaching their jitter minimum 272 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,780 at later evolutionary stages. 273 00:13:43,780 --> 00:13:46,150 Low jitter "F" stars exist and can be distinguished 274 00:13:46,150 --> 00:13:48,100 with this jitter metric. 275 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:49,840 And that same jitter metric works 276 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,800 for other stellar types as well. 277 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,750 And we're putting together a tool to predict RV jitter 278 00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:57,380 for a wide range of stars 279 00:13:57,380 --> 00:14:00,950 that can model individual components of RV jitter 280 00:14:00,950 --> 00:14:03,210 which will inform our target selection 281 00:14:03,210 --> 00:14:06,370 as well as prioritization and also inform 282 00:14:06,370 --> 00:14:11,120 our observation strategy so that we can custom tailor them 283 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,230 to mitigate individual components of RV jitter. 284 00:14:14,230 --> 00:14:17,303 So with that, I will end and take any questions. 285 00:14:19,170 --> 00:14:21,920 - [Moderator] Thank you very much, Jacob. 286 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,683 And the questions are coming in. 287 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,850 First off, do you expect this tool would work as well 288 00:14:28,850 --> 00:14:31,577 for lower mass stars "K" or perhaps even "M"? 289 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,603 - [Jacob] Yeah, that's a question I've gotten a lot. 290 00:14:39,150 --> 00:14:41,940 I think, in general, it would, 291 00:14:41,940 --> 00:14:45,423 although because we don't have any stars in our sample. 292 00:14:46,650 --> 00:14:50,450 Probably down to "M" might be a little ambitious, 293 00:14:50,450 --> 00:14:54,200 but certainly, I would think to lower mass "K" stars. 294 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,530 So I think our sample went down to 295 00:14:56,530 --> 00:14:58,333 about point seven solar masses. 296 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:03,110 So I would say tentatively, yes. 297 00:15:03,110 --> 00:15:05,910 But it's not something that I've yet 298 00:15:05,910 --> 00:15:08,163 looked into a whole deal. 299 00:15:10,890 --> 00:15:12,990 - [Moderator] Okay, and the next question, 300 00:15:13,970 --> 00:15:16,850 Is all of the larger fractional error for stars 301 00:15:16,850 --> 00:15:19,210 greater than 1.2 solar masses explained 302 00:15:19,210 --> 00:15:20,980 by the low number of samples? 303 00:15:20,980 --> 00:15:23,870 Or could it be that the hyper parameters of your model 304 00:15:23,870 --> 00:15:25,740 might be different for more massive stars 305 00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:27,770 than for less massive stars? 306 00:15:27,770 --> 00:15:29,270 - [Jacob] Yes, that's a great question 307 00:15:29,270 --> 00:15:31,470 and something that we're still looking into. 308 00:15:33,830 --> 00:15:35,440 Yeah, I think a large part of it is 309 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,084 because we have so few stars out there. 310 00:15:39,084 --> 00:15:44,084 Yeah, 70% of our stars are below 1.2 311 00:15:44,450 --> 00:15:46,980 solar masses, so I think that is a large part of it. 312 00:15:46,980 --> 00:15:51,700 But I think there could also be a difference 313 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:53,620 in the the hyper parameters as well 314 00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:57,270 and I've tried different methods 315 00:15:57,270 --> 00:15:59,870 fitting just the low mass stars 316 00:15:59,870 --> 00:16:02,293 and then fitting the high mass stars separately. 317 00:16:03,470 --> 00:16:06,870 And there hasn't been a huge difference. 318 00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:09,640 And I think we've opted to stay, 319 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,220 with this kind of bulked model. 320 00:16:13,220 --> 00:16:17,650 And just keep in mind that it's not 321 00:16:17,650 --> 00:16:20,410 as effective for the higher mass stars. 322 00:16:20,410 --> 00:16:23,540 But I think those in general have larger scatter as well. 323 00:16:23,540 --> 00:16:25,893 And so they're just not fit as well. 324 00:16:27,410 --> 00:16:29,000 - [Moderator] Finally, can you talk more about, 325 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,080 how photometric time series can be used, 326 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,930 to better constrain the jitter prediction, 327 00:16:33,930 --> 00:16:36,230 in particular, in combination with v Sin i 328 00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:37,900 and inclination estimates, 329 00:16:37,900 --> 00:16:40,450 given that the oscillation granulation signatures 330 00:16:40,450 --> 00:16:41,550 or inclination depend? 331 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,140 - [Jacob] Yeah, that's a good question. 332 00:16:45,140 --> 00:16:49,180 So yeah, I haven't thought too much yet, 333 00:16:49,180 --> 00:16:52,823 about how we can incorporate, 334 00:16:54,250 --> 00:16:55,803 photometry into this. 335 00:16:57,410 --> 00:16:59,823 So yeah, I don't have a great answer for that, 336 00:17:01,230 --> 00:17:02,280 at the moment, 337 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,280 so one of the things, actually that I left out, 338 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,640 is this model does incorporate 339 00:17:09,140 --> 00:17:13,820 a v Sin i in the activity term. 340 00:17:13,820 --> 00:17:16,710 And I just chose to leave that off 341 00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:19,410 for simplicity in this talk. 342 00:17:19,410 --> 00:17:21,700 So we do incorporate that. 343 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:25,070 But yeah, I think building something 344 00:17:25,070 --> 00:17:29,390 that incorporates the photometry, 345 00:17:29,390 --> 00:17:31,960 would also be very useful. 346 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,483 I'll keep looking into that.