1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,830 - [Prof. Erika Hamden] All right. 2 00:00:01,830 --> 00:00:02,663 Thank you for inviting me. 3 00:00:02,663 --> 00:00:03,653 I'm really, 4 00:00:04,790 --> 00:00:06,683 happy to talk about this, 5 00:00:07,690 --> 00:00:10,940 and the work that we're still doing to try and just improve 6 00:00:10,940 --> 00:00:13,790 the numbers and diversity of people 7 00:00:13,790 --> 00:00:15,713 who are PIing space missions. 8 00:00:17,180 --> 00:00:19,453 So, you can go to the next slide, please. 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,640 So, part of the motivation for the workshop 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,210 and some of the other work that we've been doing is, 11 00:00:28,210 --> 00:00:30,870 just the lack of diversity 12 00:00:30,870 --> 00:00:34,730 and who PIs astrophysics proposals Ex/MO missions 13 00:00:34,730 --> 00:00:35,563 in particular. 14 00:00:35,563 --> 00:00:39,120 So, these plots are from a white paper from 2019, 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,090 written by Joan Centrella, that went back through the last, 16 00:00:43,090 --> 00:00:45,083 at the time 10 years of, 17 00:00:46,220 --> 00:00:48,650 Explorer proposals to look at the demographics, 18 00:00:48,650 --> 00:00:51,240 and this is just a study of male versus female PI, 19 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,960 that didn't include anything about race, 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,314 which is the difference, also bad access of diversity for, 21 00:00:57,314 --> 00:00:58,976 through PI missions. 22 00:00:58,976 --> 00:01:01,390 And as you can see, the numbers are not great 23 00:01:01,390 --> 00:01:06,390 for male versus female PIs, but it's also not great in, 24 00:01:06,446 --> 00:01:08,440 women in science roles. 25 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,860 So, the two plots on the left side are showing 26 00:01:10,860 --> 00:01:12,082 the number of women in science roles 27 00:01:12,082 --> 00:01:14,813 versus the total size of the science team, and then, 28 00:01:15,770 --> 00:01:18,190 the number of proposals that have different numbers 29 00:01:18,190 --> 00:01:19,410 of women in science roles. 30 00:01:19,410 --> 00:01:21,667 So, there were about 100 proposals put in 31 00:01:21,667 --> 00:01:25,090 and the time period that was studied and out of those 100, 32 00:01:25,090 --> 00:01:28,380 a full 18 had no women in science roles 33 00:01:28,380 --> 00:01:30,687 and only a handful had, 34 00:01:30,687 --> 00:01:33,760 actually more than, you know, 30%. 35 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,063 Next slide please. 36 00:01:37,150 --> 00:01:38,890 And this is 37 00:01:38,890 --> 00:01:39,786 a problem, 38 00:01:39,786 --> 00:01:41,951 because 39 00:01:41,951 --> 00:01:44,020 when you PIed in missions 40 00:01:44,020 --> 00:01:46,760 or if you're a science team that sets up your, 41 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,490 if you're on the science team you can learn how to do it 42 00:01:48,490 --> 00:01:49,840 and then PI your own mission, 43 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,150 but this is actually a really complicated problem 44 00:01:52,150 --> 00:01:53,827 because there's a lot of stakeholders who make choices 45 00:01:53,827 --> 00:01:56,610 about what missions and PIs they wanna support. 46 00:01:56,610 --> 00:01:59,096 NASA Headquarters has some influence 47 00:01:59,096 --> 00:02:00,250 in setting the priorities, 48 00:02:00,250 --> 00:02:02,300 but actually there's a very long chain of decisions 49 00:02:02,300 --> 00:02:04,650 that get made by other groups by NASA Centers, 50 00:02:04,650 --> 00:02:07,030 by industry partners, by universities, 51 00:02:07,030 --> 00:02:08,630 about who they're gonna support. 52 00:02:09,910 --> 00:02:12,046 But one thing that can be fixed relatively easily 53 00:02:12,046 --> 00:02:13,890 is the asymmetry of information. 54 00:02:13,890 --> 00:02:16,270 If you've already put any proposals, you know how to do it, 55 00:02:16,270 --> 00:02:18,230 if you haven't, it's really hard to break into it. 56 00:02:18,230 --> 00:02:19,891 Things like, when should you start building a team, 57 00:02:19,891 --> 00:02:22,250 when should you start contacting people 58 00:02:22,250 --> 00:02:23,305 and how do you do it, 59 00:02:23,305 --> 00:02:25,220 how do you talk about a science case 60 00:02:25,220 --> 00:02:26,830 which is necessarily still evolving 61 00:02:26,830 --> 00:02:28,670 as you're working on the mission, 62 00:02:28,670 --> 00:02:29,880 and how do you learn how to like 63 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,030 be comfortable with uncertainty. 64 00:02:31,030 --> 00:02:32,020 If you've been through the process, 65 00:02:32,020 --> 00:02:33,890 all of these things are much, much easier. 66 00:02:33,890 --> 00:02:34,790 Next slide please. 67 00:02:36,786 --> 00:02:40,381 So, one of the ways to preface asymmetry of information, 68 00:02:40,381 --> 00:02:42,580 originally, I thought about writing a paper to do this, 69 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:43,413 and then, 70 00:02:44,601 --> 00:02:49,119 working with a couple of people in Thomas' office, 71 00:02:49,119 --> 00:02:51,250 with Dr. Michael New and Ellen Gertsen, 72 00:02:51,250 --> 00:02:53,586 we came up with the idea for a workshop. 73 00:02:53,586 --> 00:02:56,600 The Heising-Simons Foundation contributed a 100K 74 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,290 and NASA contributed another about 30K. 75 00:02:59,290 --> 00:03:01,799 We hired a STEM-Equity consultant 76 00:03:01,799 --> 00:03:06,210 to work on the application, the rubric and the agenda. 77 00:03:06,210 --> 00:03:07,220 And we thought the application was necessary 78 00:03:07,220 --> 00:03:08,377 because since we wanted this to be workshop, 79 00:03:08,377 --> 00:03:10,300 we wanted to be very interactive, 80 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:12,960 we needed to limit the number of people who could attend, 81 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:13,793 but we also wanted to make sure 82 00:03:13,793 --> 00:03:16,775 that every person who wanted to attend and was accepted, 83 00:03:16,775 --> 00:03:18,520 we would pay for them. 84 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,220 So, the funding for attendees 85 00:03:20,220 --> 00:03:22,440 was a really important part of the workshop. 86 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:23,340 Next slide please. 87 00:03:25,597 --> 00:03:28,447 So, the application consisted of five questions 88 00:03:28,447 --> 00:03:30,900 that were focused on science, 89 00:03:30,900 --> 00:03:33,460 we wanted everyone to have a science idea, on leadership, 90 00:03:33,460 --> 00:03:36,280 teams, decision making and then diversity, equity, 91 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,890 inclusion and accessibility work. 92 00:03:37,890 --> 00:03:40,490 And those applications were submitted to NSPIRES 93 00:03:40,490 --> 00:03:41,840 as an NOI. 94 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,890 We had about 200 applicants, 130 of which were compliant, 95 00:03:45,890 --> 00:03:48,710 answering all the questions and out of those 130, 96 00:03:48,710 --> 00:03:52,470 we selected 40 people and we paid for all of their flights, 97 00:03:52,470 --> 00:03:54,520 accommodation, meals, transportation. 98 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:55,420 Next slide please. 99 00:03:58,350 --> 00:04:00,280 And the workshop itself was over two and a half days 100 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,297 in November, 2019. 101 00:04:02,297 --> 00:04:04,210 We actually had 39 people attend, 102 00:04:04,210 --> 00:04:05,270 two thirds of which were women. 103 00:04:05,270 --> 00:04:07,810 We did not select per women, 104 00:04:07,810 --> 00:04:09,780 we just used a very carefully designed rubric 105 00:04:09,780 --> 00:04:11,274 to go along with the questions, 106 00:04:11,274 --> 00:04:13,320 and that was the result that we got. 107 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,310 We had 50% who were from Planetary Science, 108 00:04:15,310 --> 00:04:17,480 25% were from astrophysics 109 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,813 and the remainder were Helio and Earth Science. 110 00:04:20,770 --> 00:04:21,930 And those were, 111 00:04:21,930 --> 00:04:24,800 I think, mostly a function of how well we advertised it. 112 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,713 We were operating on kind of a compressed timeline, 113 00:04:28,710 --> 00:04:31,100 and Michael New, the Planetary Scientist, 114 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:33,070 and has a lot of contacts in the Planetary Science 115 00:04:33,070 --> 00:04:34,090 and I'm an astrophysicist. 116 00:04:34,090 --> 00:04:37,790 So, we were able to more effectively, 117 00:04:37,790 --> 00:04:39,473 advertise to those groups. 118 00:04:40,335 --> 00:04:44,726 We had about 25 people who came as mentors for the attendees 119 00:04:44,726 --> 00:04:46,530 or they were speakers at panels 120 00:04:46,530 --> 00:04:48,720 or they were industry partners. 121 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,410 And then we created an agenda and a workbook, 122 00:04:51,410 --> 00:04:53,680 a workbook that we printed and handed out to everybody, 123 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,500 and actually both of those things are now on a website 124 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:57,793 that's being hosted by NASA's SMD, 125 00:04:59,310 --> 00:05:01,360 which hopefully we'll send out an email about that 126 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:02,193 on Monday, 127 00:05:02,193 --> 00:05:04,250 but that was one of the objectives, 128 00:05:04,250 --> 00:05:06,200 is to try and spread this more broadly 129 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,377 than just the people who attended the workshop. 130 00:05:08,377 --> 00:05:09,610 But we tried to make the workshop 131 00:05:09,610 --> 00:05:11,240 as interactive as possible, 132 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,620 we had a speed networking session, 133 00:05:12,620 --> 00:05:14,770 which was cited as the most useful. 134 00:05:14,770 --> 00:05:17,340 We've also had shorter sessions at the AGU and the AAS 135 00:05:17,340 --> 00:05:19,640 this past winter and we're planning to do 136 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,720 either half day or full day workshops at the next meeting 137 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,490 that they do happen. 138 00:05:23,490 --> 00:05:24,667 Next slide please. 139 00:05:25,523 --> 00:05:28,460 And this is just an overview of the agenda. 140 00:05:28,460 --> 00:05:31,902 I'm not gonna go through this in too much detail, but when, 141 00:05:31,902 --> 00:05:33,232 if you look up the website, 142 00:05:33,232 --> 00:05:36,737 you'll be able to actually see the agenda in full detail. 143 00:05:36,737 --> 00:05:39,210 So, we covered things like creating a science case, 144 00:05:39,210 --> 00:05:40,740 what is a Science Traceability Matrix, 145 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:43,810 what are requirements, what's the process. 146 00:05:43,810 --> 00:05:45,950 Really information to get people knowing 147 00:05:45,950 --> 00:05:47,170 what their next steps are gonna be 148 00:05:47,170 --> 00:05:49,170 if they wanna actually do a mission like this. 149 00:05:49,170 --> 00:05:50,070 Next slide please. 150 00:05:53,835 --> 00:05:54,668 So, the key takeaways. 151 00:05:54,668 --> 00:05:58,300 So, we had a report written by Nicole Salazar, 152 00:05:58,300 --> 00:06:00,557 actually it looks like some of it got cut off, 153 00:06:00,557 --> 00:06:04,339 but she drafted this really comprehensive report 154 00:06:04,339 --> 00:06:05,533 about the experiences of the people 155 00:06:05,533 --> 00:06:08,333 that came to the workshop and how we can make it better, 156 00:06:09,470 --> 00:06:12,303 and what they liked and what they didn't like. 157 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,220 And generally, the people who attended really enjoyed it, 158 00:06:17,220 --> 00:06:19,830 93% of them said it was a good use of their time, 159 00:06:19,830 --> 00:06:23,800 86% felt comfortable, welcome, heard, valued and respected. 160 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,880 And the most important takeaway to me 161 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,380 is actually on the next slide. 162 00:06:29,295 --> 00:06:33,250 Which is that we pull people before and after 163 00:06:33,250 --> 00:06:35,050 about if they knew what the next steps they wanted to take 164 00:06:35,050 --> 00:06:35,980 to build their mission more. 165 00:06:35,980 --> 00:06:38,213 And pre-workshop, 166 00:06:39,491 --> 00:06:42,155 only 13% of people felt that they knew what they wanted, 167 00:06:42,155 --> 00:06:44,140 what the next step was. 168 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:45,180 And post-workshop, 169 00:06:45,180 --> 00:06:48,760 93% of people felt like they knew what the next step was. 170 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,130 So, I'm really happy about this. 171 00:06:50,130 --> 00:06:51,033 Next slide please. 172 00:06:52,777 --> 00:06:55,240 And then we asked some other questions about 173 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,950 if people felt comfortable developing their science case, 174 00:06:57,950 --> 00:07:00,340 developing a science objective, developing a pitch, 175 00:07:00,340 --> 00:07:02,945 building a mission team, identifying mission requirements, 176 00:07:02,945 --> 00:07:04,760 developing verification tests, 177 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,610 obtaining institutional support or developing a timeline. 178 00:07:08,710 --> 00:07:09,790 In all of these metrics, 179 00:07:09,790 --> 00:07:12,660 people felt more comfortable doing it after the workshop. 180 00:07:12,660 --> 00:07:14,530 Two varying degrees. 181 00:07:14,530 --> 00:07:15,430 Next slide please. 182 00:07:17,250 --> 00:07:20,533 but I think the impact on this is still TBD. 183 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,190 A few people who attended the workshop 184 00:07:23,190 --> 00:07:24,420 have actually put in proposals, 185 00:07:24,420 --> 00:07:26,565 there was one AS3, the astrophysics, 186 00:07:26,565 --> 00:07:29,970 SmallSat investigation proposal that was submitted, 187 00:07:29,970 --> 00:07:31,960 and a few other people are moving forward 188 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,273 with their proposal ideas. 189 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:36,660 But I think this is a longterm problem 190 00:07:36,660 --> 00:07:38,810 and as I said at the beginning, you know, 191 00:07:38,810 --> 00:07:42,910 there's a lot of different places where things fail, 192 00:07:42,910 --> 00:07:44,690 and so, this is just to try 193 00:07:44,690 --> 00:07:46,200 and get people going on the path, 194 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,850 but there's still a lot of other pitfalls in the way. 195 00:07:50,060 --> 00:07:52,690 I'm trying to expand this a little bit 196 00:07:52,690 --> 00:07:54,870 to make it more applicable to a lot of people. 197 00:07:54,870 --> 00:07:56,450 So, the website with conference materials 198 00:07:56,450 --> 00:07:57,350 we've finished that, 199 00:07:57,350 --> 00:07:59,802 but it hasn't been widely advertised yet. 200 00:07:59,802 --> 00:08:02,100 Originally I wanted to write a paper 201 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:03,506 and I still kind of feel like during that, 202 00:08:03,506 --> 00:08:05,840 that still remains to be written. 203 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,510 This also was a highly idiosyncratic workshop 204 00:08:08,510 --> 00:08:11,140 that was based mostly on my own experiences, 205 00:08:11,140 --> 00:08:13,170 writing an Astrophysics SMEX proposal. 206 00:08:13,170 --> 00:08:16,280 And so, this concept of like a PI launch pattern, 207 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,940 teaching people how to be PI has to be expanded in scope 208 00:08:19,940 --> 00:08:21,950 to make it more applicable to people's experiences 209 00:08:21,950 --> 00:08:25,420 and also generalized to not just like UV Astrophysics 210 00:08:25,420 --> 00:08:27,930 or astrophysics, but to a lot of things. 211 00:08:27,930 --> 00:08:29,950 And I think in making those changes, 212 00:08:29,950 --> 00:08:31,080 it's important to distinguish between 213 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,030 what NASA Headquarters has control over 214 00:08:33,030 --> 00:08:35,578 and also what decisions NASA Centers or industry partners 215 00:08:35,578 --> 00:08:39,690 or other stakeholders are making earlier in the process. 216 00:08:39,690 --> 00:08:40,590 Next slide please. 217 00:08:43,085 --> 00:08:46,282 So, we were originally planning for a 2020 workshop, 218 00:08:46,282 --> 00:08:49,480 which was actually suppose to happen in early August 219 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,790 and we had dates picked out and everything, 220 00:08:50,790 --> 00:08:53,719 and then, at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor 221 00:08:53,719 --> 00:08:56,373 and that hasn't fallen through because of COVID-19. 222 00:08:57,420 --> 00:08:59,105 So, we actually have funding 223 00:08:59,105 --> 00:09:01,610 from a Heising-Simons Foundation for another one, 224 00:09:01,610 --> 00:09:04,040 and we're kind of gonna do the same type of thing 225 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,790 with three days instead of two and a half, 40 participants, 226 00:09:06,790 --> 00:09:08,680 we're gonna try and give more time 227 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:10,460 for people to submit their applications 228 00:09:10,460 --> 00:09:13,250 and make the application a little bit shorter, 229 00:09:13,250 --> 00:09:16,060 that was something that people found a little bit onerous. 230 00:09:16,060 --> 00:09:18,700 And we have to spend more time on the applicant pool 231 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:20,380 and increasing the diversity of people that apply, 232 00:09:20,380 --> 00:09:22,050 especially smaller universities 233 00:09:22,050 --> 00:09:24,630 that aren't like the usual suspects in PI and things, 234 00:09:24,630 --> 00:09:29,040 and then also, underrepresented minorities, 235 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,526 which we did not have great statistics on that. 236 00:09:32,526 --> 00:09:33,927 Next slide please. 237 00:09:37,967 --> 00:09:40,930 So, something that I've been thinking about 238 00:09:40,930 --> 00:09:43,740 for future launchpads is like actually, 239 00:09:43,740 --> 00:09:46,630 having an inclusion experts come in and do some studies 240 00:09:46,630 --> 00:09:50,363 across SMD to provide real suggestions for improvement. 241 00:09:51,460 --> 00:09:53,950 Making the launchpad a more formalized thing 242 00:09:53,950 --> 00:09:55,934 rather than just relying on a few people, 243 00:09:55,934 --> 00:09:58,807 putting it together every year creating an SOC. 244 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:01,250 Maybe some kind of incubator, 245 00:10:01,250 --> 00:10:03,460 the JPL Planetary Science Summer School 246 00:10:03,460 --> 00:10:04,670 is a very interesting model for this 247 00:10:04,670 --> 00:10:06,953 where there's multiple weeks where they have webinars 248 00:10:06,953 --> 00:10:08,450 and then the in-person workshop 249 00:10:08,450 --> 00:10:10,803 is actually a culmination of that time. 250 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,510 And then including all materials online 251 00:10:14,510 --> 00:10:16,360 for people who aren't able to attend 252 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,220 or who applied and weren't accepted. 253 00:10:18,220 --> 00:10:19,120 Next slide please. 254 00:10:21,879 --> 00:10:25,280 So, this is actually what the website looks like right now. 255 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,150 The links should be sent out via NSPIRE 256 00:10:28,150 --> 00:10:30,040 sometime in the next week, 257 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,290 with everything happening in the world, 258 00:10:31,290 --> 00:10:33,375 it's all going a little slower. 259 00:10:33,375 --> 00:10:36,240 But we have a description of the launchpad itself, 260 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,660 information about the agenda, some resources 261 00:10:38,660 --> 00:10:41,040 and then all of the sessions which we filmed and recorded 262 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:41,880 with closed captioning 263 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,870 and then also have the PDFs for all the presentations. 264 00:10:44,870 --> 00:10:46,880 So, this will hopefully be a helpful resource. 265 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:47,920 This is really just the beginning 266 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,660 of what I think should be a larger project. 267 00:10:49,660 --> 00:10:50,560 Next slide please. 268 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:54,800 And then also, 269 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,830 just cause I would be remiss not to mention this, 270 00:10:56,830 --> 00:10:59,090 but there are a couple of coming opportunities. 271 00:10:59,090 --> 00:11:02,709 Frequently people start out in small missions as the PI 272 00:11:02,709 --> 00:11:07,360 and then they eventually graduate to larger scale missions, 273 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,470 Explorers or bigger, that's not always true. 274 00:11:09,470 --> 00:11:10,990 In fact, there are no rules about anything. 275 00:11:10,990 --> 00:11:12,640 So, you should do whatever you want. 276 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,070 But there are these different cost categories of SmallSat, 277 00:11:16,070 --> 00:11:18,370 especially that are becoming a lot more prominent. 278 00:11:18,370 --> 00:11:21,360 So, there's a PIONEERS call, which is a SmallSat, 279 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,790 with less than a cost of 20 million that's due in the fall 280 00:11:24,790 --> 00:11:27,750 and this is expected to be an annual call. 281 00:11:27,750 --> 00:11:29,700 There's the Mission Opportunities, SmallSat, 282 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:30,930 which is less than 40 million, 283 00:11:30,930 --> 00:11:33,470 that comes along with the Explorer AO's. 284 00:11:33,470 --> 00:11:34,530 And then after actually, 285 00:11:34,530 --> 00:11:37,365 the really great tool for PI and small things, 286 00:11:37,365 --> 00:11:39,815 that's annual, an annual solicitation, 287 00:11:39,815 --> 00:11:43,380 and they've sort of added in a very small, small tasks 288 00:11:43,380 --> 00:11:46,050 with a total cost of less than 5 million. 289 00:11:46,050 --> 00:11:48,319 But there's also rockets and balloons, 290 00:11:48,319 --> 00:11:53,060 which provide a really good training ground for new PIs. 291 00:11:53,060 --> 00:11:56,108 The APRA program has its own issues about PI diversity, 292 00:11:56,108 --> 00:11:57,720 but that's definitely something 293 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,810 which has a much lower barrier to entry. 294 00:12:00,810 --> 00:12:05,500 And then this has happened two times not on an annual basis, 295 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:08,960 but the AS3 call is for SmallSat Concept study. 296 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:09,793 So, you don't need to have 297 00:12:09,793 --> 00:12:12,793 a fully fledged mission developed, you can just focus on, 298 00:12:14,660 --> 00:12:16,280 what you would like to do. 299 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,340 And so, that one is also kind of an even lower barrier 300 00:12:19,340 --> 00:12:20,173 to entry. 301 00:12:20,173 --> 00:12:22,040 The most recent solicitation was in December of last year 302 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,170 and the announcement happened I think, a month ago, 303 00:12:24,170 --> 00:12:26,020 but there's been two of them 304 00:12:26,020 --> 00:12:28,570 and it's likely to be a recurring thing as well. 305 00:12:28,570 --> 00:12:30,800 Next slide please. 306 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,900 I think that might be at the end. 307 00:12:32,900 --> 00:12:35,970 So, in general, my advise if you wanna be a PI 308 00:12:35,970 --> 00:12:38,270 is you should decide what your science question is, 309 00:12:38,270 --> 00:12:39,720 that's really the fundamental thing. 310 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:40,970 Start building a team, 311 00:12:40,970 --> 00:12:43,300 ask everyone that you can think of for guidance, 312 00:12:43,300 --> 00:12:44,800 most of the people who have been PIs 313 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,830 are willing to like wanna be helpful, 314 00:12:46,830 --> 00:12:48,900 that people just don't know to ask them. 315 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:52,050 You should call, email, random people for advice, 316 00:12:52,050 --> 00:12:52,883 talk to people. 317 00:12:52,883 --> 00:12:55,330 I have a great story about how on my SMEX proposal, 318 00:12:55,330 --> 00:12:56,480 I worked with Ball Aerospace 319 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,520 and I just like showed up at the Ball Aerospace table 320 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:00,830 at the AGU meeting, 321 00:13:00,830 --> 00:13:03,100 and it was actually like a career recruitment table, 322 00:13:03,100 --> 00:13:04,210 and I was like, "I don't wanna talk to you guys, 323 00:13:04,210 --> 00:13:05,990 I wanna talk to someone else but I don't know who that is." 324 00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:07,260 And then we figured it out. 325 00:13:07,260 --> 00:13:10,570 So, the most important step actually is number five, 326 00:13:10,570 --> 00:13:11,650 don't give up. 327 00:13:11,650 --> 00:13:13,500 If you think you have an interesting idea, 328 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:15,240 talk to people about it and start developing it. 329 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,730 And, 330 00:13:16,730 --> 00:13:18,337 yeah, there are people out here who wanna help you, 331 00:13:18,337 --> 00:13:19,740 you just have to connect with them. 332 00:13:19,740 --> 00:13:20,573 And I think, 333 00:13:20,573 --> 00:13:23,240 I don't think I have an example that we could see. 334 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,303 Yeah, I'm happy to answer any questions 335 00:13:25,303 --> 00:13:27,663 and thank you for having me. 336 00:13:29,024 --> 00:13:29,857 - [Female Voice] Great. 337 00:13:29,857 --> 00:13:31,302 Thank you so much Erika. 338 00:13:31,302 --> 00:13:32,135 (clears throat) 339 00:13:32,135 --> 00:13:33,740 So, let's see. 340 00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:35,067 I have a question. 341 00:13:35,067 --> 00:13:36,770 Do you currently have plans 342 00:13:36,770 --> 00:13:38,770 or I guess perhaps this is a suggestion if you don't, 343 00:13:38,770 --> 00:13:39,900 (laughs) 344 00:13:39,900 --> 00:13:42,470 to submit a planetary decadal white paper 345 00:13:42,470 --> 00:13:46,650 on essentially a debrief of the launchpad 346 00:13:46,650 --> 00:13:50,563 and just, you know, recommendations for diversity of PIs? 347 00:13:51,420 --> 00:13:53,533 - [Prof. Erika Hamden] I do not but that's a good idea. 348 00:13:54,780 --> 00:13:57,990 So, Planetary Sciences has less of a terrible track record 349 00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:58,823 than astrophysics. 350 00:13:58,823 --> 00:13:59,656 (laughs) 351 00:13:59,656 --> 00:14:01,437 - [Female Voice] That's a fairly low bar let's be clear. 352 00:14:01,437 --> 00:14:02,408 - [Prof. Erika Hamden] Yeah. 353 00:14:02,408 --> 00:14:03,360 (laughs) 354 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,087 but I do think that the... 355 00:14:06,087 --> 00:14:08,080 Yeah, I think that actually is a great idea. 356 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:08,913 So, thanks. 357 00:14:08,913 --> 00:14:10,050 Whoever wrote that suggestion, thank you. 358 00:14:10,050 --> 00:14:10,913 - [Female Voice] It was me. 359 00:14:10,913 --> 00:14:11,910 (laughs) 360 00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:12,743 You're welcome. 361 00:14:12,743 --> 00:14:13,576 (laughs) 362 00:14:13,576 --> 00:14:14,409 Yeah. 363 00:14:14,409 --> 00:14:16,810 And just as a primer, during the open session tomorrow, 364 00:14:16,810 --> 00:14:18,370 that's one of our topics, in fact. 365 00:14:18,370 --> 00:14:20,570 So, we can, you know, for those who are not as primed 366 00:14:20,570 --> 00:14:23,220 as to what the planetary decadal of white paper submission 367 00:14:23,220 --> 00:14:25,170 looks like, we can talk about it there.